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What started this out was using the RGB pallete and their orange. I was using Roland pallete based on input from Imprintables.
When you say using straight 172C without converting - I am not sure what that means? I have used the Pantone color's before but when RGB pallete didn't work, I went to Imprintables for their guidance. I can try the Pantone 172C when I get into work today adn see if that works. But not sure what you mean by "without converting" is there something I need to do different than what I normally do?
No, just go ahead and give it a try, Mark.
Color your object with Pantone 172C, export as eps and bring it into Versaworks.
Don't do anything else.
On my end, when I let Corel convert that 'orange' to the Roland colors, it's morphs into a redish orange.....and as you say, there isn't any 'orange' on that Roland palette that's appropriate.
Here's the previous thread I was talking about last night:
Please understand this advice is based on what works for me.
Mileage may vary.
There are just so many variables involved.....monitors, color management settings, export settings, Versaworks settings, etc, etc.
I struggled for a long time, trying to get X5 and that nifty new palette to work with consistent results. Consistent is the key word here.
One day I just sat back, smacked myself upside the head and asked myself, "Why?"
Why try to fix what's not broken?
Again, for me, for the way I have my system set up, using Corel, with it's previous version CM settings in place.........99.9% of the time, I have absolutely no color matching issues.
(can you hear me knock, knock, knocking on wood?)
Let me know how you make out.
PS Because I don't know how you have CM set up, you might want to try this little experiement as well....it won't waste much ink or media.
Make yourself a strip of boxes.
Color one RGB orange, one CMYK orange, one straight Pantone orange, then fill the rest of the boxes with different Pantone 'oranges' including 172 and a few of it's neighbors.
I don't expect you to do this everytime you have a color issue but if you do it with these oranges this one time, it might help you see which way you should go in the future if you ever run into this issue again.
I've got my fingers crossed for you...........
I didn't see your post before I responded to Mark.
It sounds, like I was saying "no" to your answer, and that wasn't my intention.
I was answering Marks question.
When I went back to read the thread, and the way it now flows, I sounded really obnoxious, like I was supercedeing your advice.
Again, definitely, definitely, definitely not my intention.
I signed up for something on Roland for Color Management next Tuesady. Don't know if it will help or confuse me... hopefully I will be attending the training at the end of the month.
ah, a video would be wonderful, Steven..............especially since I have trouble scheduling time to go up the corner for milk & bread!
Nevermind, a few states away!
I know exactly what happened to me and exactly why.
After working with Pantone palettes for so many, many years, it's what I know best and what I'm most familar and comfortable with.
I know how Pantone reacts, I know exactly how, what I see on my monitor, will print.
When they threw this new Color Management at us...............everybody started scrambling to understand precisely how it worked.
For the majority of users, especially those who need to fiddle with offset printing, it was a dream come true.
For the small majority, like me, it only caused confusion. An upgrade, a frill that would have never been on my wish-list.
CM for me, wasn't broken. Sigh.
After experimenting for months, while folks were 'uncovering' all the new settings, I wound up 1,000 miles from home.
The main issue was that all these tweaks I was trying, had absolutely nothing to do with the type of work I do.
Instead of CM getting better, for me it's just got convoluted. A can of worms that took me a long time to contain....and get back to where I was to begin with.........where I wanted to stay.
With all that said, I trust you implicitly.
If you say printing from the Roland palette is better, more accurate and easier to navigate, I have to bow down to your expertise.
While I "think", I'm using it properly, obviously I must be missing something.
Case in point, this very subject we're talking about here.
There isn't an orange, the same as Pantone orange available when I use the Roland palette.
I don't know how to tweak that Roland palette/color and I really don't understand why I would need to tweak that color, when I can just go ahead and grab a Pantone orange I want.
Even if you don't have time for a full-fledged video, a pdf with screenshots of all your dialog box settings would be da' bomb.
Starting with Corel's CM, eps export and finally VW
Comparing what you do, to what I have in place, would be terrific....and probably very informative.
I fully realize that I have no business addressing these color match issues people have.
Because something works for me, doesn't necessariy mean it will work for someone else.
So many, many variables.
Unfortunately sometimes my fingers have a mind of their own.
I spurt out what works on my end instead of keeping my mouth shut.
Hopefully you can teach this old dog how to jump on the X5 CM/Roland palette bandwagon.
I'm truly hoping it's just a matter of me having something, somewhere, mucked up.