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Static Cling on either side?
Hello:
I read a old post where someone was saying there is Static Cling (WHITE) material that can be used/printed on either side. I am trying to verify if this is true. I am wanting to do some inside window parking permits using white static cling. What I would call static on face. That need to be viewed fron the outside.
Any input sure would be appreciated.
Thanks
Bill
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Permalink Reply by Steven Jackson on -
I have used solvex static cling for that purpose and it has worked just fine. Just print on the side availible and it will cling on either side.
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Permalink Reply by Bill Dannels on -
Steve:
That's GREAT news to hear!
My Roland dealer who also sells Oracal, kinda talks down printing on Static using the VersaCamm.
Probably because I don't see any Static Cling material listed in what they carry. :)
I have read more than a few posts here from people who say they have done it with good success.
May I ask if you have a supplier that you would recommend?
Also looking for any unforeseen problems that I might encounter using Static on the VersaCamm
One persons tip was NOT to use the hold-down guides, because they tend to cling to the material.
Thanks again for your time, it's much appreciated!
Bill
AGI Solutions Inc.
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Permalink Reply by Steven Jackson on
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I would agree on not using the hold down guides. It gets very annoying when they chatter as the material tries to cling to them! I would check out Imprintables Warehouse to see what they have for static cling. Talk to Lee or Adam there and they will be able to assist you.
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Permalink Reply by Roland R. Irish III on -
Correct on not using the guides...they will squeek from friction and cause alignment problems.
Also, heat from the drying platen can make the static material clear 'UP' and hit the print carriage, so roll the material far enough ahead before setting 'base' so that you have 6" or more for 'weight' to hold the stock down flat.
TEST your profile settings...if the heat isn't set right the ink will 'puddle' up instead of drying and give you a blotchy print.
AS for printing on 'both sides'...it isn't done. Only way to do that you have to peel off the static from the backing and then place it back down and hope it stays in place...and some static material has a 'low grade adhesive' already on that side-you can't print on it. I've done screenprinting for over 25 years and did static 'wraps' by the hundreds of thousands...to make it 'look' like a double sided print you have to reverse print your image, lay down a white backing, then a gray backing, then a white layer, then 'right read' your print again. That prevents 'reading through' from one side to the other and makes it look like a double sided print. With too much ink coverage, digital or screened, the 'static' stick feature does NOT work-it defeats the purpose-you need to have one side 'clear' to make it work the way it was intended. And I have had static material in the past that was labeled as 'receptive' on the exposed side only for printing-the other side would not accept ink but would repel it.
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Permalink Reply by Bill Dannels on
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Roland:
Thanks for the feedback and TIPS!
What I want to do is print on White static in a normal way, then apply the printed side to the glass. to be viewed through the glass. A few people say SOLVEX static will work.
Steve suggested Imprintables Warehouse as a supplier. I have contacted then, left a message two days ago. So far NO response! I searched their site and saw no mention of Static Cling. A CS person said they probably do not stock it, but would drop ship?
Fellers has it listed in a 150' roll, don't teally want to start there. Just wanted to get a small amount for testing. STILL LOOKING FOR A SUPPLIER!!!!
Thanks Again!
Bill
AGI Solutions Inc.
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Permalink Reply by irving donaldson on -
Hey Bill, I have read all of the suggestions to you and have no further to offer. I have used static cling and have brought it in rolls and in sheets. I have never printed on the side with the backing and have used both clear and white with good results. I generally use Fellers but here are two more and at least one will have it in approximately 2x4 sheets. http://www.sfsupplies.com/ and the second - http://www.nglantz.com/ - hope one of these have what you need.
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Permalink Reply by Roland R. Irish III on
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Fellers have been GREAT about sending out samples, just ask! Most of their basic goods they will sell by the yard, but I've never had a problem getting a sample of new material to test out.
I do so little of it lately that if you can't get a couple yards to test in 30" contact me and I"ll cut you some off MY
roll...just to be neighborly.
ALSO...BIG PROBLEM I forgot about...when you run it through the Versacamm and it's a lot of printing-I did United Way logos so it was 100%....you CANNOT CUT AND STACK the decals. They MUST sit for 24 hours or you are in big trouble. The ecosol max ink does NOT FULLY CURE using the profiles for static. Don't know why and I suspect room air humidity might affect it-but I printed, cut, stacked several hundred decals for a client, boxed them and sent them off. Got a phone call a couple days later-when they unpacked them-the ink had migrated to the backing of the decal above, every single one in the stacks. Ruined the entire batch. Now I print, leave on the roll and drape that around the room to 'breathe' for an absolute minimum of 24 hours-usually I print friday and leave it till monday...and no more problems.
Otherwise, contact Discount Labels and have them do them for a fraction of the price it costs you to produce them!
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Permalink Reply by Bill Dannels on
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Roland:
Thanks for the OFFER and the info. Allways glad to learn from other peoples mistakes for a change :)
I never bought anything from Fellers, just got their Cat. I will call them today and see what I can do.
Will post my findings!
Thanks Again
Bill
AGI Solutions Inc.
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Permalink Reply by Steven Jackson on
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Roland,
I had the same thing happen with both static cling and poster material. Make sure it is fully cured prior to stacking!
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Permalink Reply by Roland R. Irish III on
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My suspicion is that room humidity plays a big role in curing/drying time...I have had some jobs when the humidity is really low that print, dry, cure, and stack immediately, even large areas of red (the worst color we've noticed for drying time) and other times when the humidity is way up, rainy season, hot muggy days, etc.-and even the banners won't roll up without sticking after 12 hours. Learned to override the profile heat settings and crank them way up, even take a blow dryer (heat gun) to the prints afterwards to fully cure it when it's a time crucial job. Otherwise I just usually print after lunchtime, lay the stuff out on the counter, drap it over something, or put up on the signboard with magnets and leave it overnite. No airconditioning in the shop-would make a difference.
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Permalink Reply by Bill Dannels on
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Here is a update on my findings!
Fellers has NO samples to offer on the Solvex Static Cling.
Solvex is "FELLERS HOUSE BRAND" that's why I could not find much info about it on the web. Still don't know who makes it for Fellers?
They do offer Avery by the yard.
Solvex's data sheet states ONLy 1 side static.
I got a sample of "GMI White Static Cling" from Jason at AllSquare $15.00
Their Data sheet states Static on both sides, and YES it works on both sides!
Prints very nice and dried to the touch soon as it came over the top.
Printed 485 Red looks bright and clean. Could not find a profile, used Oracal 3651G W/Versaworks.
Very happy with the dry time and ink coverage. I removed the hold downs, the roll started very FLAT, no up-curel at the start. Cleaned my windshield and applied two 3 X 3 pieces, one from each side (face and liner). Could not tell any difference in the cling. The window was in the sun 92 deg. very hot inside the car! Also applied 2 samples on the side window, not in direct Sun, seemed to work/apply better. Would not recommend applying in the direct sun :)
Thanks All for your help with this.
Bill
AGI Solutions Inc.
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Permalink Reply by CYW on -
I know this is an old thread, but I just printed my first static cling clear piece for a large window.
I mirrored the image........then paniced thinking maybe I shouldn't have done that.
I'm still not sure if the ink will effect the adhesion or not.
Initially I was thinking I should mirror to protect the ink. Now I'm not so sure.
Also, I didn't remove the hold down guides.
Instead I ran a piece of Scotch transparent tape down each side of the 42" piece of cling.
The tape provided a nice smooth surface and the cling didn't moan & groan as it fed through the machine.
Diane
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