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Can someone help me please? trouble with colors

Good afternoon,

I have two banners to do and the colors are coming out nothing like they should, I just downloaded the profile colors (guess that is what it is called) into corel, printed out the color chart, but I could not hit the ok button for banner so I just printed as whatever it was on, vinyl I guess. Anyways, the colors do not appear to be the same as on my screen. I can take pic and show you but my question is.

Is there anyone that could open these files that has a color chart and tell me which colors to use to make them print the correct color? I really have to get these banners done and have never run into this problem before, guess it would happen when it is a last minute thing.

 

I have a perfect nozzle check also

 

Thanks so much

Teresa

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Permalink Reply by Carolyn Klages on January 18, 2012 at 4:34pm

What you see on your computer monitor is not usually what will be printed out, as every monitor is calibrated slightly differently.  If you wanted to print out exactly what you see on the screen, you'll have to 'calibrate' your monitor with something that actually scans in the printed colors that you print out, and then interfaces with the colors you see on your monitor.  I don't know exactly how to do that yet (I'll get there some day), but the best thing (and least expensive in the short run) is to print out a color chart on the media that you'll be printing your banner onto.  (Different media are different shades of white, and absorb/reflect the colors differently, so you'll get different colors with the same settings). 

Using the Roland colors usually generates very consistent results, so you can use that color chart as a starting point.  I've also printed out certain colors that I use most often out of my non-Roland colors onto all my media, so I have something to guide me and show my customers.    There's a way to print a color chart of a color palette in Corel using a macro, if you wanted to print out squares of every color in a palette.  Roland has a couple of charts already built into VersaWorks.  You can search on the net for how to do that for non-Roland color palettes, though. 

Permalink Reply by Teresa martin on January 18, 2012 at 5:18pm

I understand about the monitor but I would think when printing the color chart there would be some sort of pinks or purples and I am not getting that. I printed out the 2 images for the 2 banners on a regular printer and they look like they are supposed to but when printing on the versacamm, the images are totally off. I have talked to Steve, Imprintables and Nazdar, put the colors into corel like they said and printed the chart but I do not think the color on the chart is correct so I cannot choose a color for my images (hope that makes sense) I was hoping someone could  take a look at my files and tell me what colors to change them to to make them print as close as possible.

 

One image should be gray and blue but is printing green and greener, way off. Nozzle check is perfect so not sure what to do. They need these printed for an annual dinner and I am not getting anywhere.

Permalink Reply by irving donaldson on January 18, 2012 at 6:37pm

Not sure why I do not see your files. Which color chart are you referring to? Which palette are you using? So if using roland's ensure that you have the queue set prior to bringing in the file. The queue should have the spot color and special check under file format. If you are using special profiles - export with ICC checked but do not check convert spot colors on the export part. Those are my offering without seeing files or knowing the other info.

Permalink Reply by CYW on January 18, 2012 at 7:05pm
Oh Teresa, so, so, so, so many variables to give you a simple answer.
What palette are you using in Corel?
What color management settings are you using in VW?
How about you CM in Corel?

Did you do everything Irv suggested?
A good place to start

Lady Di
Permalink Reply by Teresa martin on January 18, 2012 at 7:16pm

OK, here is what I did as suggested by Imprintables and nazdar.

I installed the color palette into corel then went to versaworks, clicked on the A under beside the monitor or whatever you call it (icon under the queue buttons), then talked with Imprintables, while on the phone went into there clicked on print the color chart for type A or something (not at shop so cannot remember exact words) anyways, I printed the color chart onto the banner material I am using for the banners but it does not look like the colors that should be there. I am not sure how else to explain it to get my point across but I printed the 2 images out onto paper, they look like they should as seen on the monitor, but when the images are printed onto the banner they are way off, I canot pick a color from the color chart I printed because I cannot find anything that is pinkish or purplish to match the color in the image so I do not know what to change the colors in the image to so they will print the correct color.

 

Can I send a file to someone and have you print a small print onto regular paper and then if you have the color chart for versaworks printed that you could match up a color close and tell me what color number it is?

I am not sure how else to make sense. I am just so frustrated, never had this problem before and now I have these 2 banners to finish by tomorrow for an annual chamber of commerce dinner and I do not want to let them down and lose face. Please help. I am not that computer savvy with profiles etc, so please make it is as simple as possible for me to understand. Thanks again for all the answers just not sure what you mean, I did what they (Imrpintables and Nazdar) told me to do and it is not working.

Permalink Reply by Teresa martin on January 18, 2012 at 7:20pm

I am going to try and login to the computer at my shop and upload an image so you can see the image at least to see what I mean.

Permalink Reply by Teresa martin on January 18, 2012 at 7:44pm

Here is the images I am trying to print, the top one I had vectored but the colors are cmyk and they do not match up to something the versacamm will print so I need to match the color with the color palette, which I cannot seem to do because I do not have the correct colors.

 

The bottom image is how it should look but it is printing green and darker green instead of gray and blue

If anyone has the color palette printed and could please help me match these colors so I can print the banners I would so appreciate it or at least help me figure out why I cannot get the color palette to print as shown on the screen (I know monitors look different but it should show the colors because the image shown here does print correctly just not on the versacamm, just the desktop printer)

I just do not have much time since they are due tomorrow and I do not want to be know as the person that could not get it done, I have never missed a deadline and do not want to start especially when it is for the chamber I am a member of

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Permalink Reply by Carolyn Klages on January 18, 2012 at 8:06pm

Teresa,

Take a look at your export settings from Corel, and the settings you have in VersaWorks for the File Format and the color management tabs.  I've attached screenshots of what mine look like and where you should look for these.  If you want to attach your file to an email here, I'll try to take a look at it later tonight and see what might be the problem.  It looks like you have some sort of fountain fill color thing going on in the top picture.  If you're using Roland colors that are graduating from one "spot" color to another "spot" colors, sometimes the info doesn't go over correctly and you get a solid color instead. You could overcome this, at least for now, by selecting the offending objects, and going up to the Bitmaps pulldown menu in Corel, and choose "convert to bitmap"  That will take the weird object and convert it to a bmp and then it should go over to your VersaWorks a little closer to the colors you intend for it to be, if the colors you're picking are close to the real colors, that is <grin>.  Keep us posted. 

 

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Permalink Reply by CYW on January 18, 2012 at 7:50pm
I'm a little confused
You've been printing for awhile, right Teresa?
And this is the first time you've hit a hiccup?

If so, I'm wondering what is making this project different from the others?
Where did this file originate? What software?
What color palette was used to create it?

Have you processed other customer provided files?
Or do you usually just create your own?

Sorry for all the questions but I'm trying to get a feel of what seems to be happening here that's different than what usually happens when you print

Lady Di
Permalink Reply by Teresa martin on January 18, 2012 at 7:57pm

Yes I have been printing a while no issues until today, they are customer supplied art, no idea what program they were created in. The guy at imprintables said that even if they say cmyk it could be difficult to reproduce if it was created some other way, so I really do not know the answer to the question about the artwork, I only know I have to get them printed and I am feeling pretty discouraged not being able to get them to print. I may call imprintables first thing in the morning and see if he can open the file and tell me what colors might work to get close to the colors. I just do not know what else to do because they have to be done tomorrow, they are for business of the year banners and I cannot let them down. Thanks again

Permalink Reply by Teresa martin on January 18, 2012 at 7:59pm

I guess I should also mention when printing in the past I have NEVER had to color match anything so the color chart was not necessary. that is why I just tried to print it today because I never needed before now. But I am really needing it now:(

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